Have you wondered how to identify an Indian Motorcycle? What does this engine number mean? Where is the frame number?
Hopefully the following table will help clarify the mess Indian left us with.
One numbering system was not enough for Indian. It seems like every decade they decided they had to change how they numbered their motorcycles.
This has caused much confusion of what all these numbers mean.
The following information was originally compiled by Greg Cooney from New Zealand
Hopefully we can keep the information flowing to help more people with their Indian Motorcycles
Indian Serial Numbers 1901-1953
****** Bore and Stroke (BS) Data current; under development, use as guide only for the time being ****** |
Year | Model | Eng.Number | Cyls. | H.P | Bore | Stroke | Frame Number | Notes |
1953 | 353 | CS61001-CS62500+ | 2 | ? | 3.250 | 4 13/16 | CS61001-CS62500+ | last batch of 53’s where a large sequence of serials were skipped |
1953 | 353 | CS6501-CS6999 | 2 | 3.250 | 4 13/16 | CS6501-CS6999 | ‘Chief’ 53, serials above 6500 accepted as 53 if registration supports. | |
1952 | 352 | CS6001-CS6500 | 2 | CS6001-CS6500 | ‘Chief’ 52, up to 6500 whether ’52 or ’53 may depend on registration? | |||
1952 | ? | BB1001T- | 2 | B1001T- | ‘Warrior TT’, last model year | |||
1952 | ? | CS4001- | 2 | CS4001- | ‘Warrior’, last model year, Warrior Patrols (3 wheeler for Police/FD) | |||
1951 | 351 | C4001-C4500 | 2 | C4001-C4500 | ‘Chief’ 80ci, the last of the eighty’s without yr confusion! | |||
1951 | 651? | FEA101-? | 2 | FEA101-? | ”Dispatch Tow’ Scout, NYC Fire Dept Only?, note 14 | |||
1951 | ? | B1001T- | 2 | B1001T- | ‘Warrior TT’, frame sequence continues thru ’52 | |||
1951 | ? | B101- | 2 | B101- | ‘Warrior’ | |||
1950 | 350 | C2001-C2500 | 2 | C2001-C2500 | ‘Chief’ 80ci, 2nd series, #’s changed, C2441-C2500 to PDNYC Police | |||
1950 | 350 | CEJ1001-CEJ1500 | 2 | 3501001-3501500 | ‘Chief’ 80ci (1320cc), first year for telescopic forks, 1st series | |||
1950 | ? | BEJ1001- | 2 | 2501001T- | ‘Warrior TT’, 30.50ci (500cc) | |||
1950 | ? | BEJ101- | 2 | 250101- | ‘Warrior’, 30.50ci (500cc) | |||
1950 | 250 | BBEJ1001- | 2 | 22501001- | Scout’, last model year | |||
1950 | 150 | AAEJ1001- | 1 | 11501001- | Arrow’, last model year | |||
1949 | 349 | CDI1001- | 2 | 3491001- | Chief, very limited production, serials inflated | |||
1949 | 249 | BDI101- | 2 | 249101- | Scout’, 26ci, (440cc), first vertical twin | |||
1949 | 149 | ADI101- | 1 | 149101- | Arrow’, 13ci, (220cc), first vertical single | |||
1948 | 348 | CDH101- | 2 | 348101- | Chief’, new frame, new oil pump etc | |||
1948 | 648 | FDH101-150 | 2 | 648101-150 | 45″ Daytona ‘big base’ Scout. note 13 | |||
1947 | 347 | CDG101- | 2 | 347101- | ‘Chief’, no other models | |||
1946 | 346 | CDF101- | 2 | 346101- | ‘Chief’, new girder forks, no other models | |||
1945 | 345 | CDE101- | 2 | 345101- | ‘Chief’ limited production, | |||
1944 | 344 | CDD101- | 2 | 344101- | ‘Chief’, no other models, all military? | |||
1943 | 343 | CDC101- | 2 | 343101- | ‘Chief’, very limited civilian production, last of 741’s, high serials | |||
1942 | 442 | DDB101- | 4 | 442101- | Indian 4, the last year of the 4ours.. | |||
1942 | 342 | CDB101- | 2 | 342101- | ‘Chief’, 74ci | |||
1942 | 642 | FDB101- | 2 | 642101- | 45″ ‘Sport Scout’, last year of the SS/SSDT, Daytona in ’48 | |||
1942 | 542 | EDB101- | 2 | 542101- | 30.50ci ‘Junior Scout’ | |||
1941 | 441 | DDA101- | 4 | 441101- | Indian 4, 78ci | |||
1941 | 341 | CDA101- | 2 | 341101- | ‘Chief’, 74ci | |||
1941 | 841 | HDA101- | 2 | 841101- | Military, 841, 45ci transverse, shaft drive | |||
1941 | 641 | FDA101- | 2 | 641101- | 45″ ‘Sport Scout’ and DT’s | |||
1941 | 741 | GDA101- | 2 | 741101- | Military 741(b) lightweight 30.50ci note 6 | |||
1941 | 541 | EDA101- | 2 | 541101- | 30.50ci ‘Junior Scout’ | |||
1940 | 440 | DDO101- | 4 | 440101- | Indian 4, 78ci | |||
1940 | 340 | CAV101- | 2 | CAV101- | CAV=Continental Army Vehicle (aka Military Chief, Canadian) | |||
1940 | 340 | CDO101- | 2 | 340101- | ‘Chief’, incl Military, except Canada | |||
1940 | 640 | FDO101- | 2 | 640101- | 45″ ‘Sport Scout’ and Military 640 Scouts note 6 | |||
1940 | 540 | EDO101- | 2 | 540101- | 30.50ci ‘Scout Pony’ renamed ‘Thirty-Fifty’ | |||
1939 | 439 | DCI101- | 4 | 439101- | Indian 4 | |||
1939 | 339 | CCI101- | 2 | 339101- | ‘Chief’ 74ci | |||
1939 | 639 | FCI101- | 2 | 639101- | 45″ ‘Sport Scout’ and Dispatch Tows (DT) | |||
1939 | 539 | ECI101- | 2 | 539101- | 30.50ci ‘Junior Scout’ | |||
1938 | 438 | DCH101- | 4 | 438101- | Indian 4, 78ci | |||
1938 | 338 | CCH101- | 2 | 338101- | ‘Chief’ 74ci | |||
1938 | 638 | FCH101- | 2 | 638101- | 45″ ‘Sport Scout’ and Dispatch Tows | |||
1938 | 538 | ECH101- | 2 | 538101- | 30.50ci ‘Junior Scout’ | |||
1937 | 437 | DCG101- | 4 | 437101- | Indian 4, 78ci | |||
1937 | 337 | CCG101- | 2 | 337101- | ‘Chief’ 74ci | |||
1937 | 637 | FCG101- | 2 | 637101- | 45″ ‘Sport Scout’ and Dispatch Tows | |||
1937 | 237 | BCG101- | 2 | 237101- | 45″ Std ‘Scout’ last model year | |||
1937 | 537 | ECG101- | 2 | 537101- | 30.50ci ‘Junior Scout’ renamed ‘Scout Pony’ | |||
1936 | 436 | DCF101- | 4 | 436101- | Indian 4, 78ci | |||
1936 | 336 | CCF101- | 2 | 336101- | ‘Chief’ ,74ci | |||
1936 | 636 | FCF101- | 2 | 636101- | 45″ ‘Sport Scout’ and Dispatch Tows | |||
1936 | 236 | BCF101- | 2 | 236101- | 45″ Std ‘Scout’ | |||
1936 | 536 | ECF101- | 2 | 536101- | 30.50ci ‘Junior Scout’ | |||
1935 | 435 | DCE101- | 4 | 435101- | Indian 4, 78ci | |||
1935 | 335 | CCE101- | 2 | 335101- | ‘Chief’ 74ci | |||
1935 | 635 | FCE101- | 2 | 635101- | 45″ ‘Sport Scout’ and Dispatch Tows note 14 | |||
1935 | 235 | BCE101- | 2 | 235101- | 45″ Std ‘Scout’ | |||
1935 | 535 | ECE101- | 2 | 535101- | 30.50ci ‘Junior Scout’ | |||
1934 | 434 | DCD101- | 4 | 434101- | Indian 4, 78ci | |||
1934 | 334 | CCD101- | 2 | 334101- | ‘Chief’ ,74ci | |||
1934 | 634 | FCD101- | 2 | 634101- | 45″ ‘Sport Scout’, 1st yr with new keystone frame | |||
1934 | 234 | BCD101- | 2 | 234101- | 45″ Std ‘Scout’ (still chief frame] | |||
1934 | 534 | ECD101- | 2 | 5.0 | 534101- | 30.50ci ‘Junior Scout’ | ||
1933 | 433 | DCC101- | 4 | 433101- | Indian 4, 78ci (1278cc) | |||
1933 | 333 | CCC101- | 2 | 333101- | ‘Chief’ 74ci | |||
1933 | 633 | FCC101- | 2 | 633101- | 1yr only 45ci ‘Motoplane’ (in Jr Scout frame) | |||
1933 | 233 | BCC101- | 2 | 233101- | 45″ Std ‘Scout’ | |||
1933 | 533 | ECC101- | 2 | 5.0 | 533101- | 30.50ci ‘Junior Scout’ | ||
1932 | 403 | DOC101- | 4 | 403101- | Indian 4, 78ci | |||
1932 | EOC/503 | EOC101- | 2 | 5.0 | 2 1/2 | 3 1/16 | 503101- | ‘Junior’ or ‘Pony’ Scouts begin, 30.5ci (500cc) 101 mo end |
1932 | COC/303 | COC101- | 2 | 8.5 | 3 1/4 | 4 7/16 | 303101- | Chief ,74″ |
1932 | BOC/203 | BOC101- | 2 | 6.61 | 2 7/8 | 3 1/2 | 203101- | Std ‘Scout’ 45″ in Chief frame, |
1931 | HEP/302 | EH1536- | 2 | 8.45 | 3 1/4 | 4 7/16 | H1410- | Chief, 74″ |
1931 | GP/101 | EGP3081- | 2 | 6.61 | 2 7/8 | 3 1/2 | G4050 | 101 Scout 45″, also first service car. [last year] |
1931 | G/101 | EG925- | 2 | 6.05 | 2 3/4 | 3 3/16 | SI346- | 101 Scout 37″, frame numbers continue note 9 |
1931 | 402 | EA776-EA1509 | 4 | 12.10 | 2 3/4 | 3 1/4 | -none- | Indian 4, sequence continues to 11/1/31 |
1930 | HEP/302 | EH100-EH1535 | 2 | 8.45 | 3 1/4 | 4 7/16 | -none- | Chief 74″, sequence continues to 11/1/31 |
1930 | GP/101 | EGP100-EGP3080 | 2 | 6.61 | -none- | 101 Scout 45″ ,sequence continues 11/1/31 | ||
1930 | G/101 | EG100-EG924 | 2 | 6.05 | none-SI322 note 9 | 101 Scout 37″, continues to 11/1/31, late ’30 frame no’s commence | ||
1930 | 402 | EAXXX-EA775 | 4 | 12.10 | 2 3/4 | 3 /14 | -none- | Indian 4, sequence continues to 11/1/31 |
1929 | GEP/101 | DGP4318- | 2 | 6.61 | -none- | 45″ 101 Scout | ||
1929 | GE/101 | DG2638- | 2 | 6.05 | -none- | 37″ 101 Scout | ||
1929 | 402 | EA100-EAXXX | 4 | 12.10 | -none- | Indian 4, after 6/1/29 changes to EA series, which lasts till ’31 | ||
1929 | 402 | DA701-DAXXX | 4 | 12.10 | -none- | Indian 4. up to 6/1/29 then changes to EA100 and up | ||
1929 | HEP/301 | CH2225- | 2 | 8.45 | 3 1/4 | 4 7/16 | -none- | ‘Chief’ 74ci, CH numbers continue to 11/12/29 |
1928 | GEP/101 | DGP100-DGP4317 | 2 | 6.61 | -none- | 45″ 101 Scout changeover yr from sf scout, mostly assumed ’29 | ||
1928 | GE/101 | DG100-DG2637 | 2 | 6.05 | -none- | 37″ 101 Scout changeover fm short frame (sf) scout assumed ’29 | ||
1928 | -none- | CZ100- | 2 | 7.81 | 3 1/8 | -none- | ‘Chief’ 61ci, [last yr] | |
1928 | LE/201 | CL100- | 1 | 3.03 | -none- | ‘Prince’ 21ci [last yr] | ||
1928 | -none-? | CH100-CH2224 | 2 | 8.45 | 3 1/4 | 4 7/16 | -none- | ‘Big Chief’ 74ci, to 3/15/28 then model change to HEP/301 |
1928 | -none- | CGP1762- | 2 | 6.61 | -none- | 101 Scout 45″ change to 45″ 101? note 7 | ||
1928 | -none- | CGP100-CGP-1761 | 2 | 6.61 | -none- | Scout 45″ to 3/15/28 change to 45″ 101? CGP444+ note 5 | ||
1928 | -none- | CG2385- | 2 | 6.05 | -none- | 101 Scout 37″ to 3/15/28 then change to 37″ 101. | ||
1928 | -none- | CG100-CG2384 | 2 | 6.05 | -none- | Scout 37″ to 3/15/28 then change to 37″ 101. note 7 | ||
1928 | 402 | DA100-DA700 | 4 | 12.10 | -none- | Ace name dropped, model added, serial CA-DA change 6/1/29 | ||
1928 |
Ace |
CA100-CAXXX | 4 | 12.10 | -none- | Indian ‘Ace’ to 8/1/28, DA101-DA700 are also 1928. note 10 | ||
1927 | Ace | VF100- | 4 | 12.10 | -none- | First Indian ‘Ace’ 4 cyl,78ci, and poss E1100 up note 11 | ||
1927 | -none- | BZ100- | 2 | 7.81 | 3 1/8 | 3 31/32 | -none- | ‘Chief’ 61ci (1000cc) |
1927 | -none- | BL100- | 2 | 3.03 | -none- | ‘Prince’ 21ci | ||
1927 | -none- | BH100- | 2 | 8.45 | -none- | ‘Big Chief” 74ci | ||
1927 | -none- | BGP100- | 2 | 6.61 | -none- | Scout’ 45ci (750cc) | ||
1927 | -none- | BG100- | 2 | 6.05 | -none- | ‘Scout’ 37ci (600cc), last pedestal eng mounts before though-bolt | ||
1926 | -none- | AZ100- | 2 | 7.81 | -none- | ‘Chief’ 61ci | ||
1926 | -none- | AL100- | 1 | 3.03 | -none- | ‘Prince’ 21ci | ||
1926 | -none- | AH1180 only | 2 | ?? | -none- | ‘Big Chief’ 80ci, prototype, 1 only? | ||
1926 | -none- | AH100- | 2 | 9 | -none- | ‘Big Chief’ 74ci | ||
1926 | -none- | AG100- | 2 | 5 | AG3542 | ‘Scout’ 37ci | ||
1925 | Model Y | 90Y001- | 2 | 9 | -none- | ‘Big Chief’ 74ci | ||
1925 | Model Y | 80Y001- | 2 | 8 | -none- | ‘Chief’ 61ci | ||
1925 | Model Y | 50Y001- | 2 | 5 | -none- | ‘Scout’ 37ci | ||
1925 | Model Y | 30Y001- | 1 | 2.75 | -none- | ‘Prince’ 21ci (350cc) single, [first model yr] | ||
1924 | Model X | 90X001- | 2 | 9 | -none- | ‘Big Chief’ 74ci | ||
1924 | Model X | 80X001- | 2 | 8 | -none- | ‘Chief’ 61ci | ||
1924 | Model X | 70X001- | 2 | 7 | -none- | ‘Standard’ ,last year for the former Powerplus | ||
1924 | Model X | 50X001- | 2 | 5 | -none- | ‘Scout’ 37ci | ||
1923 | Model V | 90V001- | 2 | 9 | -none- | ‘Big Chief’ 74ci (1200cc) | ||
1923 | Model V | 80V001- | 2 | 7 | -none- | ‘Chief’ 61ci | ||
1923 | Model V | 70V001 | 2 | 7 | -none- | ‘Standard’ (pplus) 61ci note 12 | ||
1923 | Model NP | VP001- | 2 | 8 | -none- | ‘Powerplus’ 72ci renamed ‘Standard’ note 12 | ||
1923 | Model V | 50V001- | 2 | 5 | -none- | ‘Scout’ 37ci | ||
1922 | Model T | 80T001- | 2 | 7 | -none- | ‘Chief’ 61ci (1000cc) first year, tho sold oct ’21 | ||
1922 | Model NP | TP001- | 2 | 8 | -none- | ‘Powerplus’ 72ci big valve note 12 | ||
1922 | Model T | 70T001- | 2 | 7 | -none- | ‘Powerplus’ 61ci | ||
1922 | Model T | 50T001- | 2 | 5 | -none- | ‘Scout’ 37ci | ||
1921 | Model NP | SP001- | 2 | 8 | -none- | ‘Powerplus’ 72ci big valve note 12 | ||
1921 | Model S | 70S001- | 2 | 7 | -none- | ‘Powerplus’ 61ci | ||
1921 | Model S | 50S001- | 2 | 5 | -none- | ‘Scout’ 37ci | ||
1920 | Model NP | RP001- | 2 | 8 | -none- | ‘Powerplus’ 72ci big valve note 12 | ||
1920 | Model N | 70R001- | 2 | 7 | -none- | ‘Powerplus’ 61ci | ||
1920 | Model R | 50R001- | 2 | 5 | -none- | ‘Scout’ 37ci – [first model year] | ||
1919 | Model MP | MP001- | 2 | 8 | -none- | ‘Powerplus’ 72ci, 8hp, big valve | ||
1919 | Model M | 70M001- | 2 | 7 | -none- | ‘PowerPlus’, 61ci, 7hp, 2nd series | ||
1919 | Model M | 40M001- | 1 | 4 | -none- | ‘PowerPlus’, 30.5ci single,loop frame, | ||
1919 | Model M | 30M001- | 2 | 2.5 | -none- | 2½hp, loop frame, twin cyl, ci=? | ||
1918 | Model K | KRX001- | 2 | ?? | -none- | ?hp, loop frame, 2nd series, special? | ||
1918 | Model N | 70K001- | 2 | 7 | -none- | ‘Powerplus’ 61ci | ||
1918 | Model B | 50K001- | 2 | 4 | -none- | ‘Little Twin’ 42ci, Hedstrom f-head motor note 17 | ||
1918 | Model W | 40K001- | 1 | 4 | -none- | ‘PowerPlus’, 33.5ci single, commercial | ||
1918 | Model 0 | 30K001- | 2 | 2.75 | -none- | ‘Light Twin’ 15.7ci, (Horizontally opposed motor) | ||
1917 | Model J | RX001- | 2 | 7 | -none- | 7hp, loop frame, special? | ||
1917 | Model N | 70J001- | 2 | 7 | -none- | ‘Powerplus’ 2nd model year for 61ci (1000cc) | ||
1917 | Model B | 50J001- | 2 | 4 | -none- | ‘Little Twin’ 42ci, Hedstrom f-head motor note 17 | ||
1917 | Model W | 40J001- | 1 | 4 | -none- | ‘PowerPlus’, single,4hp, 33.5ci commercial model | ||
1917 | Model O | 30J001- | 2 | 2.75 | -none- | Light Twin’ 15.7ci, (Horizontally opposed motor) | ||
1916 | Model G | 70H001- | 2 | 7 | -none- | ‘Powerplus’ first model year for L-head 61ci with cradle spring frame. | ||
1916 | Model F | 70H001- | 2 | 7 | 3 1/8 | 3 31/32 | -none- | ‘Powerplus’ first model year for L-head 61ci model with rigid frame. |
1916 | Model B | 50H001- | 2 | 5 | -none- | ‘Little Twin’ 42ci, Hedstrom f-head motor note 17 | ||
1916 | Model K | 20H001- | 1 | 2.5 | 3 1/8 | 3 3/32 | -none- | Featherweight” 2½hp, loop frame, two stroke |
1915 | Model G | 70G001- | 2 | 7 | 3 1/4 | 3 43/64 | -none- | 7hp, loop frame, Big Twin, 1st series 6ci, {B} |
1915 | Model G | 50G001- | 2 | 4 | 2 3/4 | 3 1/2 | -none- | Little Twin, 2nd series, 7hp, loop fr, note 4, chrome vanadium frames! {B} |
1915 | Model E | 40G001- | 2 | 4 | 3 1/4 | 3 43/64 | -none- | ‘Little Twin’ 42ci, Hedstrom f-head motor note 17 |
1914 | Model F | 70F001- | 2 | 7 | 3 1/4 | 3 43/64 | -none- | 7hp, loop frame, twin, 1st series, Hendee electric starter offered! |
1914 | Model F | 40F001- | 1 | 4 | 3 1/4 | 3 43/64 | -none- | 4hp, loop frame, single, electrics fitted! |
1913 | Model E | 70E001- | 2 | 7 | 3 1/4 | 3 43/64 | -none- | 7hp, loop frame, twin, yes & 80E0001 up as 32,000+ were built. note 8 |
1913 | Model E | 40E001- | 1 | 4 | 3 1/4 | 3 43/64 | -none- | 4hp, loop frame, single, cradle spring rear frame, rigid still avail. |
1912 | Model D | 70D001- | 2 | 7 | 3 1/4 | 3 43/64 | -none- | 7hp, loop frame, twin, rigid rear only. |
1912 | Model D | 40D001- | 1 | 4 | 3 1/4 | 3 43/64 | -none- | 4hp, loop frame, single, first for kick starter! |
1911 | Model C | 70C001- | 2 | 7 | 3 1/4 | 3 43/64 | -none- | 7hp, loop frame, 2nd series, improved carb jets! |
1911 | Model C | 40C001- | 1 | 4 | 3 1/4 | 3 43/64 | -none- | 4hp, loop frame, 2nd series |
1911 | Model C | 20C001- | 2 | 5 | 3 1/4 | 3 43/64 | -none- | 5hp, loop frame, twin, 1st series |
1911 | Model C | 1C001- | 1 | 2.75 | 3 1/4 | 3 43/64 | -none- | 2¾hp, loop fr. sgle, 1st series, int and ext brakes, knock out rear axle! |
1910 | Model B | 70B001- | 2 | 7 | 3 1/4 | 3 43/64 | -none- | 7hp, loop frame, 2nd series |
1910 | Model B | 40B001- | 1 | 4 | 3 1/4 | 3 43/64 | -none- | 4hp, loop frame, 2nd series, footboards and front axles fitted!! |
1910 | Model B | 20B001- | 2 | 5 | 2 3/4 | 3 1/4 | -none- | 5hp, loop frame, twin |
1910 | Model B | 1B01- | 1 | 2.75 | 2 3/4 | 3 1/4 | -none- | 2¾hp, loop fr. sgle, 1st series, mech. oilers multidisc clutch fitted!! |
1909 | -none- | IOA001- | 1 | 3.5 | -none- | 3½hp, loop frame, single, 1st series, 26.96ci (440cc) | ||
1909 | -none- | IA01- | 1 | 2.75 | -none- | 2¾hp, loop frame, 19.30ci (315cc) | ||
1909 | -none- | 70A001- | 2 | 7 | -none- | 7hp, loop frame, 2nd series, Big Twin, 61ci (1000cc) | ||
1909 | -none- | 40A001- | 1 | 4 | -none- | 4hp, loop frame, 2nd series, 30.50ci (500cc), hand brake introduced! | ||
1909 | -none- | 20A001- | 2 | 5 | -none- | 5hp, loop frame, twin, 38.61ci (630cc), first 2spd transmission! | ||
1908 | -none- | T500-T1200 | 2 | 5 | -none- | 5hp, diamond frame | ||
1907 | -none- | T100-T499 | 2 | 3.5 | -none- | 3½hp, diamond frame, first production v-twin! | ||
1907 | -none- | 5000- | 1 | 2.25 | -none- | 2¼hp, diamond frame, first yr of mechanically operated valves! | ||
1906 | -none- | 2350-4048 | 1 | 2.5 | -none- | 2½hp, diamond frame | ||
1905 | -none- | 1168-2349 | 1 | 2.25 | -none- | 2¼hp, diamond frame, also a light weight twin cyl | ||
1904 | -none- | 621-1167 | 1 | 1.75 | -none- | 1¾hp, diamond frame, first yr of spring front and tandem attachment! | ||
1903 | -none- | 244-620 | 1 | 1.75 | -none- | 1¾hp, diamond frame, first yr of handlebar controls! | ||
1902 | -none- | 101-243 | 1 | 1.75 | -none- | 1¾hp diamond frame, first chain transmission! | ||
1901 | -none- | -none- | 1 | 1.75 | -none- | 1¾hp diamond frame 90lbs!!, Indian Carb! |
Engine Number Series and Year decoding.
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1950 -1953 Midstream the 1950 Chief serial numbers changed from CEJ to just C on BOTH engines and frames, upsetting the rules as shown in the 1932-1950 table below . Early 50’s Chiefs were CEJ, late ’50 and’ 51 Chiefs were just ‘C’, and all ’52 and ’53 Chiefs were ‘CS’ . When this change happened all vertical twins also had frame numbers matching the engine exactly too. Examples : Eng# BEJ911, Frame # 250911 is 1950 Warrior. Eng# B1003, Frame # B1003 is 1951 Warrior. |
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1932 -1950 Frame Numbers introduced late 1930 early 1931 (see note 9) Example: we have an unknown motor (or cycle) that’s stamped CDF 6403 and a spare frame stamped 441 1089 <work in reverse, i.e. numerals to letters using table or your fingers!>1st letter is C, this is the series, all Chiefs are 3, Fours are 4 etc (see table left) 2nd letter D is the decade year 4 and the 3rd letter F is the digit year 6Answers: Motor is 1946 Chief, Serial# 6403 (6303rd* made!) Frame is 1941 Four, Serial# 1089, (989th* made!) *as first machine started at xxx101In order for a cycle to have ‘matching numbers’, the frame number must match the engine number and the first three numeric digits of the frame number equal the decoded motor number. i.e. for our example, the frame would have to read 346 6403. see Frame Numbers section Top |
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1926 -1931 Top Indian lost the plot for a few years between 1925 and 1933 with their numbering, possibly exacerbated by the 101 series ‘no new model years’, the Ace acquisition and how to incorporate frame numbers in 1930/31 which I will ignore in this scenario.Examples: AH1088 is a 1926 Big Chief, 74ci, serial 1088 (similarly, AZ1088 would be 1926 61ci) BGP1055 is a 1927 Scout, 45ci, serial 1055 (similarly, BG1055 would be 1927 Scout 37ci) EA779 is a 1930 Four, serial 779 (similarly, BL779 would be 1926 Prince) Top |
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Model/hp (Hendee/Indian) 1= 2½hp single 2 = 5hp twin or 2½hp single 3 = 4hp twin or 2½hp twin, or 21ci Prince single 4 = 4hp single or 30.5ci Pplus 5 = 7hp twin or Scout 37″ 7 = 7hp twin or 61ci PowerPlus 8 = 8hp twin or Chief 61ci 9 = Chief 74ci or 72ci Powerplus Years Example A=1909 B=1910 C=1911 D=1912 E=1913 Ex.3 F=1914 G=1915 H=1916 J=1917 K=1918 M=1919 Ex.2 R=1920 S=1921 T=1922 V=1923 X=1924 Ex.1 Y=1925(I, L, N-Q, U & W not used.) also see note 12 for ?Pxxx models (where ?=R,S,T or V) |
1909 -1925 hang on it gets a little tougher now!. Top Its a little like an odometer that clocks over in units, tens, hundreds and thousands and tens of thousands. You may find it easier to pay attention to the year first, then look at table and determine the models for that year, see Example 2.Example 1 – 51X107 Take the engine number 51X107 which breaks down to: 5 is Scout 37″, (because of X) then because the second number is not zero (as it would be if serial < 1000) we add it (1000) to the serial 107 making it 1,107, The X is the year 1924. So it is a 1924 Scout with a engine serial of 1107… eg. a serial of 54X155 would be the same model and yr with a serial of 4,155. similarly, a serial of 67X157 would be the same model and yr with a serial of 17,157.Example 2 – 72M911 Take the engine number 72M911 which breaks down to: ‘72 equals 7 &2 and think of this as 2000 (thousandths digit) The M is the year 1919. The 7 is a 61ci Powerplus (because of the M) and the remaining 2000 is the thousandths unit of the engine number whereby adding it to 911 gives us 2,911. So it is a 1919 Indian Powerplus with a engine serial of 2911…similarly, a serial of 81M177 would be the same model and yr with a serial of 11177.Example 3 – 86E630 <please see note 8> Take the engine number 86E630 which breaks down to: 86 equals 7 &10+6, think of this as 10000 (ten thousandths digit, i.e 70xxx-80xxx), then add this PLUS the 6000 (thousandths) to the 630 it gives us16,630. The E is the year 1913. The 7 is a 7hp Hendee twin. So it is a 1913 7hp Twin with a engine serial of 16630…similarly, a serial of 70E433 would be the same model and yr with a serial of 433. Top |
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1902 101-243 1903 244-620 1904 621-1167 1905 1168-2349 1906 2350-4048 |
1902 -1908 Top There was no commercial sales in 1901 but numbering began 1902 starting at #101 and remaining in sequence to #4048 until 1906. This gives us an insight into production numbers. From this point till 1909 as the database illustrates, its anyone’s guess what someone was dreaming up! Top |
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Engine number suffixes “A letter may be stamped after the engine number (but off to right of boss itself, i.e. on crankcase): these letters are:- A is for aluminum pistons which were optional over std cast iron pistons in scout 45″in 1928 see note 5 B is for Battery ignition (distributor). (post 1933, see below note) …BUT B was also used (briefly) to denote blackout lighting fitted by the factory on mil. cycles during WWII. see note 6 B also designated aluminum piston and/or special clearances for performance and/or sustained speeds on pre ’28”. B also designated aluminum piston, chief carb (DLX81?), chief valve springs and chief inlet nipples/manifold used on special factory 101 Scouts. BM is for Bonneville Motor. BY is for Battery (Distributor) ignition on ‘Y‘ motors, i.e.. Y manifolds, trench heads (Ricardo) etc – mostly mid 30’s models. M is for Magneto ignition. MY is for Magneto ignition on ‘Y‘ motors, – rare, mostly mid thirties models. Frame number locations (also see note 9) ’31 and up rigid frames are on a boss just below the left ear axle slot, ’40 spring frames are on the left rear shock casting above the axle slot, ’41 through ’51 are on the lower left shock mounting ring, ’52 through ’53 are on the front face of the right front footboard casting mount. thanks to John Welch ‘49-’52 VT’s (=Vertical Twins), i.e Scouts, Warriors/ TT’s and Arrows, have the frame serial on the front forks. ’34-’42 DT’s (=Dispatch Tows), i.e 3 wheel Sports Scouts have the frame # under the seat on the frame casting. Matching Numbers “The practice of re-stamping frames to match engines to make a ‘matching number machine ‘ an vice versa often results in the frame number being exactly the same as the engine number, eg CDF 4321 and CDF 4321. In actual fact the frame would have been stamped, in this case, 346 4321. This is often the single most giveaway as Indian did not match serials on chiefs till mid 1950, watch out for this on ebay!” |
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Extended Notes and Contributions. Top 1. Introduction. This database is by no means perfect, but as close as we can collectively get it to-date, if you have something to contribute, or query my info please do so as this is a collaborative effort. Consternation lies mainly between the dates of March 15th, 1928 and 1st November 1st, 1931, the latter being when frame numbers were introduced and numbering and model numbers were somewhat rationalized. 2. Several of the serials & dates have been assumed or generalized based on rationalizing conflicting info from each source all of which have differed. Remember model years differ from production years, many new models were offered in the last qtr of the prev year All dates are of the MM/DD/YY format. 3. Four valve specials and factory racer motors were not identified and/or recorded.4. The 1915 parts book also uses letter designation of models; B is a twin (50 series) with smaller or lighter engine with few parts interchangeable with other twins models C & D, E model is the single cyl 40G series .(thanks to Chuck Garrett)5. Cast iron pistons std on Scout 45 unless motor bears the letter ‘A’, which uses aluminum pistons, this is from: CGP444 on, i.e. CGP445 A. see eng# suffixes Top6. All Export 741’s GDA101 & up were supplied with blackout lighting as standard. 1940 640B’s #’s FD01015-FDO1515 and FD02310-FD02636 were also factory fitted with optional kits offered for others.7. The highest ‘CG’ number recorded for ’28 short frame (std) scouts by the 101 Association is: CG2384, the highest 45″ ‘CGP” number is CGP1761, deducting 100 from each should give known numbers produced before the change over to 101.8. All 09 thru 12 were rigid frames and all 13 were leaf spring front and swing arm rear. In 1914 and subsequent there were also rigid frame models. 70E1005 would be the same Model 7 (61 CID Twin) with a SN of 1005. 80E0450 would be the same engine/model with a SN of 10450 (7+1, i.e 1 in front of serial number). (thanks <i think!> to Chuck Garrett)9. A 1930 101 (EG901) has been found with a frame number of SI322. Originally SI344 was recorded as the starting frame number as first used in ’31. This proves frame numbers started late ’30 not ’31. (EG901 is just 24 units serials off a ’31 101). We would like to know about any lower frame numbers than SI322 please, until then we will use SI322 a starting reference. Top10. The 28 Ace had been listed with serials starting as CA210 up, a reader has said “I was lucky enough last year to find a 100% complete 1928 Indian ACE in Sweden with all the delivery dockets and service history for the first few years, its serial number is CA196″ (thanks to Ted Worrall) 11. While not Indian (yet!) 1920-1926 Ace Motorcycle serial numbers are included here to give some insight into the numbering before Indian acquired Ace from Michigan Motors Jan ’27. 1920 A1000- 1921 A1xxx-? 1922 B3000- 1923 B3xxx-? 1924 D8000-, 1925 no production? or no info? – 1926 E1000-, (poss just E1100 up?) 12. Starting 1920 the 61ci PowerPlus (N and NE) was offered in a larger 72ci capacity named the NP and NEP (electrics) models. These 1178cc models had engine numbers starting with the following: 1920 =”RPxxx”, 1921=”SPxxx”, 1922=”TPxxx” 1923 =”VPxxx”. These were invariably big valve models, but there was 61″ big valve models also that had an enlarged (chief size) exhaust valve. In 1923 Indian renamed the PowerPlus to Standard in order to dispel the myth that the PowerPlus had more power than the Chief. (thanks to David Bedding) Top 13.The rear frame # began with 648 followed by a 3 digit #. Such as, 648 106. I used to own the bike Floyd Emde rode at Daytona in ’48. I restored it in ’78-79 and later sold it to a mid-west collector-dealer. The rear frame on these machines was standard 741 with the addition of a ferrule on either side for the seat spring bolt. To the best of my recollection they started at FDH 101 and went to FDH 150. The rear frames were stamped 648 101 to 648 150. (thanks toRoger Hensley)14. The Sport Scout based three wheel dispatch tows (DT), (previously known as the service car in 1931 in the form of a 101 scout. later known as traffic car in some configurations). These 1934 to 1942 where offered in many styles and had the standard sports scout engine serial nomenclature, with the following exception: the frame number is under the seat on the casting where the tubes meet. This configuration was revived again for the police depts in 1950-1952 in the Indian Patrol which consisted of either 45ci Scout, 80″ Chief or 30.5 ci Warrior models.. various VI members “I had a 1951 (FEA106), a friend has FEA103 & FEA104. A FEA105 is overseas and is a two wheeler, I have pics. You can’t say it was never made because if you wanted special orders they would make it. 103 & were NYCFD (fire dept) bikes. I sold mine 20 years ago, my friend still has his.”15. I have a listing of factory serial number listings from 1910 to 1931. while the form doesn’t have the factory’s name on it persay, the weight and age of the paper, the typeface and layout, plus the mention of Form M801 (Form M779 is a riders manual, M809 is a parts list and so on) leads me to believe it is authentic. Greg16. “Starting with Motor no. EA580, machines were equipped with all steel clutch, wide transmission gears, single keyway trans shaft and engine sprocket. prefix letters AB are used to designate this change”. from Form M801 . Greg 17. The Model B ‘Little Twin’ (with 42ci Hedstrom motor), continued to be sold in the UK, Australia, NZ? etc for a number of years after the 1915 cut-off that occurred in the USA. The 1916 UK sales catalogue states: “This model has proved so wonderfully popular during the past year, that we are continuing it on the market.” The same model is still listed in the 1918 UK sales catalogue. |
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I have an old Indian that I am trying to identify and I am hoping someone can help. I have owned it since 1940’s, last registered in 1947. I believe it is a 1930 101 with a 37″ engine, but it doesn’t match any of the info provided in this article. The engine # is HGxxxx and there is a number on the frame 35-G-12-F which is in the rear by the axle mount, but it is above the cutout not below. I expect the frame # may be a casting number because I see nothing like it referenced above. Any ideas on the exact year of this bike? Last official registration showed it as a 1931.
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